i would so go on a walk with you
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There is still no god. In reality, this Lectio Divina only displayed one of the reasons I am not Christian. In this reading it mentioned the rewards for the humble and punishment for the proud, and this does not make sense to me. If pride is a sin, which the Bible says it is, then the Christian…
What do you define pride as?
Pride- the quality of having an excessively high opinion of oneself or one’s importance.
So I’d pretty much agree with you on that definition and I think most people would as well. I think the key here is “excessive.” You mentioned that God must be a great sinner because He is prideful. The problem here is that God—although you may not believe in HIm just stay with me here for a moment— is everything that He says He is. He created the universe, He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. There is nothing excessive God could say about himself, because He truly is all these things. I hope this makes sense. Would you call an olympic athlete prideful for saying, “yeah, I’m pretty good at sports.” Maybe. Personally, I wouldn’t, in fact I might consider that an understatement and that the olympian is perhaps even being humble. In the same way, God being called the Alpha and the Omega (or any other example you can think of)- something that for a human to say of themselves would certainly be prideful which I think we agree upon- is not prideful for God to say of himself. In fact, there are no words that can accurately describe God-they don’t even come close to His greatness. I hope some of this makes sense and that I’m not just rambling. I’d love to talk to you about it some more if you’d like, if not I hope that you think about it a little before dismissing it. I took some time to think about what you said before I made this response and I fully believe you are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that.
Hmm… I understand what you are saying, and I agree, to an extent. I’m going to pretend I believe in a god for the sake of the post. So, yes, god is great, he created everything, etc, etc. And, similarly, Olympic athletes are incredibly talented. But, here’s the difference—an Olympic athlete may deserve respect and admiration and whatnot, but one who was not prideful would not EXPECT these things. He may deserve them and may accept them when given to him but he would not be angry if he did not receive them, and he most certainly would not punish those who failed to give him the respect and admiration he deserved. However, god not only requires that everyone respect and admire him, but also requires that people go to mass and kneel and bow and worship him. And those who fail to do so will burn for all eternity. That, to me, is prideful.It does not matter how wonderful, powerful, perfect, etc, etc a being is. If he will punish a person for all eternity for failing to recognize how awesome he is and worship him for it, he is cruel, in my eyes.
The priest at the church I attend says that coming to mass is the most important thing we do in our lives, and, from my understanding, this is a common belief among Christians. But, if god is all-good, why would he prefer to have us bowing down to him than bringing food to the hungry and the homeless? We give money to the church every week. I know that churches donate some money to charity, but, for example, my church recently used a lot of that money to build a new office and parking lot. Could that money not be put to better use at, say, a non-profit cancer research organization? I do not believe that a respectable Olympic athlete would say that it is more important to spend money on his gold medal than it is to end world hunger, and to me, a god that says it is more important to worship him than it is to care for the less fortunate is extremely prideful and, therefore, is undeserving of the worship he wants.
I’m just gonna start by apologizing to you. I’m sorry that the church that you go to has been such a bad experience for you. I think really the main problem here is a huge difference in belief. I think to start I’m just gonna give you a run down of some of the things I believe and hopefully it can dismiss some of the misconceptions you may have about Christians. Disclaimer: I’m not saying that everything I believe is right or that this is what all Christians believe or should believe. Okay here we go. God is all-powerful, and yeah, He can punish someone for eternity. Here’s the but. He is a merciful and just God. He loves us more than we can even imagine. He loves us so much that He sent His son to die for our sins. Wow. Christianity, to me, is the ultimate love story. Jesus was a game changer. Because of Him, we can be saved. We don’t need to be punished for eternity, because through Jesus, we are redeemed. Is God angry when we sin? I say yes but… it’s more disappointment than anger. He is called Heavenly Father for a reason. He loves us like a father- when we stray from Him, disobey Him, condemn HIm, sin, these things sadden and disappoint Him. He doesn’t ever give up on us.
I do not by any means believe that going to church is the most important thing. Not even close. So, we agree on that- awesome! I believe that church serves a purpose and that it should be a place where Christians can gather to join in community, learn and strengthen their faith, worship God together, and more. However, I do not believe that going to church everyday is what makes you a Christian, that your church attendance is a measure of your faith, or anything close to that.
I’m very curious as to what denomination of church you attend, if you’re comfortable with telling me that. Every church I’ve ever been a part of has placed a huge emphasis on helping those in need. That is supposed to be one of the purposes of the church. Tithing is a tradition in the church- yes it pays for practical things that keep the church running and church staff salaries. Church’s are functioning buildings with electric bills and plumping bills etc, so part of that money goes to those things. A church should never be selfish though, it is meant to serve the people. I can expand on this more if you’d like.
If there’s one thing I hope to communicate to you its this: What your church is telling you is not necessarily what God is telling you. Does that make sense? Please, please, do not put words in God’s mouth. Your pastor/priest/whatever is not God. The word of God can be found in the bible. The bible is the Truth. Please do not take everything you hear as truth. This includes me! These are my beliefs, but it is up to you to think, meditate, and pray about what man tells you about God. You must look to God and the bible to find the truth about Him. It helps to have fellow Christians to discuss things with, definitely. God wants us to live in community with each other- He created us that way. I would really really really urge you to try out a different church. Just expand your experiences before you give up on churches. There are so many different kinds and there is so much out there, that I would hope this church you attend isn’t the extent of your experience with Christianity. You deserve more than that.